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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Jun 12, 2013 11:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dead 1984 - A Year In Review (Update for those who care)

pk -

I think it was Little Sense who pointed out some of the issues with the board mix vs what was heard in the house as exacerbating the "chimey-ness" of Brent's sound. I went back and listened to the AUD source over the SBD and in some cases the house sound was much better in terms of the chimes not being as much of a distraction as on the SBD. In others, they were just as bad - but they jangle my teeth so much even hearing them once biased me against a tune with an otherwise chime free house mix.

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Jun 12, 2013 1:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dead 1984 - A Year In Review (Update for those who care)

that was me.

My favorite shows have unlistenable SBDs. And I don't hate Brent, but really I'm here for Jerry. With the AUDs you almost have to listen for Brent (my absolute favs you can barely hear him - 7/28/82), with the SBDs you have to struggle to even hear Jerry over the clinky plinking - a matrix helps...some. But that fact makes folks hate on Brent even more, and it wasn't even his fault that the SBD mixes were so bad.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Jun 12, 2013 1:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dead 1984 - A Year In Review (Update for those who care)

I think Brent was in some ways a victim (as many were, even the Dead) of the times, meaning the 80's were just an atrocious period for the use and over-use of idiotic synth effects, like, oh say, I don't know...chimes.

but in all seriousness the man was a fine keyboard player, and had he been doing his thing w/the Dead in the 70's as Keith was he would have played just as mean a piano. I just happen to prefer the Keith sound b/c he was playing an acoustic piano most of the time and it sounded great when he was "on."

But Brent on the B3 was a very nice thing indeed and on some of the bluesy tunes (Rooster, etc.) he really shined.

But my favorite thing about Brent was his singing. After a decade of putting up w/Donna ruining so many songs at just the wrong moment (I still can't listen to any pre-Brent "Stella Blue" b/c of her off key killing of the "shine" refrain) it was really refreshing to hear a voice that got harmony right. Unfortunately by then it was Jerry's voice that was hurting, so it was still not optimum.

And Mando, if you're listening, I'm waiting for your review of 10/12/84 which I think is not only one of the best shows of '84 but a candidate for best of in any era.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Jun 12, 2013 4:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dead 1984 - A Year In Review (Update for those who care)

10-12-84 best of any era? really?

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Jun 12, 2013 6:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dead 1984 - A Year In Review (Update for those who care)

One of the best shows in that Brent era...i.e. I'll put that show in exalted 80's company with 5/1/81, 10/10/82, 7/18/89...it's a phenomenal show.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Jun 12, 2013 2:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dead 1984 - A Year In Review (Update for those who care)

gc -

Try out the Little Red Rooster from this show. I graded this one as a version that could go toe to toe with any year for Best Ever. Brent's work starting at 3:30 is everything I like about his B3 sound and everything about why I despise the chimes.

http://archive.org/details/gd1984-06-27.sbd.miller.repitch-87467.87658.sbeok.flac16

Regarding 10/12/84 - I'm getting through 2 shows every 3 days so I should have 10/12/84 knocked around mid-July. I'll try to have it finished before I leave for Floydfest - I don't think I'll be doing much on this effort for a few weeks afterwards.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Jun 12, 2013 4:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dead 1984 - A Year In Review (Update for those who care)

Was he the Victim or the Chime?

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Jun 12, 2013 11:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dead 1984 - A Year In Review (Update for those who care)

I've also noticed that in quite a few 80's SBD's Brent is way too high in the mix (case in point the UVM Patrick Gymnasium show I was listening to on the way into work this AM).

In addition is his equipment issue. Seems he was way too in love with his Moog plinker for the first few years. As I've said before it often came across as only slightly better than an organ grinder (sans monkey)playing underwater. While his Hammond sound has always been top notch, it definitely took him awhile to work out his electronica sound (which many still despised, and that is certainly understandable).

I've always wondered what he would have sounded like on an acoustic piano. Certainly couldn't have been any worse than the Casio 2000 he insisted on playing through a good part of the 80's.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Jun 12, 2013 2:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dead 1984 - A Year In Review (Update for those who care)

I really like his playing during acoustic sets like Radio City 1980. (Bird Song for example) I'd like him fine if he'd always played and sounded like that.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Jun 13, 2013 5:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dead 1984 - A Year In Review (Update for those who care)

Ahh, forgot that. Yes, significant improvement. I wonder if it had anything to do with him not wanting to be accused of being a Keith impersonator, personal preference or Jerry actually liking that crap; hell, he apparently had no problem with Donna doing horrible things to cats over the yers.